Tuesday, August 10, 2021

August 10, 2021 Side Chat RP/discussion with Bex

(Context: Trent, Rebecca, and Cat were in Iowa visiting Trent and Cat's family; Trent got a disturbing call from Nathaniel and hotwired a plane back to California, where he saw Nate passed out in the tub.)

Takes place after this chapter.


AVERNA, in the same tone as a "what a madlad!" tweet

He hotwired a plane!


BEX

Rebecca is gonna lose her mind mainly cause Trent got in the TUB with Nate without thought and bathed him.... that’s gonna be her issue with Trent.

Nate just better stand by. Lol the whole you say he's a friend yet you do this... friends don't do that. 


PENRYN

Maybe not YOUR friends.


Lopez

A man is PASSED OUT!!! Now I don't know what planet you hail from in our solar system but to me that indicates something is physically wrong and he needs help.


CIN

Bold of you to assume she's from the same solar system.


BEX

And you only want what you can’t have so knock it off type thing.


PENRYN

Why does she think Nate or Trent only wants what they can't have? That's definitely a Rebecca trait.

 

SIGYN

He pulled Nate out of the tub, not got in with him.

 

BEX

He didn't drink... didn't take any pills yet he's causing attention to himself... yea...


PENRYN

You heard it here first: Emotional distress isn't real. If you're having difficulty processing something, you're only looking for attention, so quit it, and make your reactions more convenient for those around y--


SERLEINA renegade interrupts her


BEX

 So sponged bathed him outside the tub... still practically naked though.

 

SIGYN

Nathaniel represents something very important to Trent. Now, Trent promised to forgive Rebecca for breaking his heart, but that doesn't mean the pain isn't still there subconsciously, especially after Annmarie's outburst. Nathaniel has never broken Trent's heart, and while Trent did manipulate him to a degree, Nathaniel looks a lot more like he fell for Trent on his own, and so Trent is subconsciously and irresistibly drawn to him. He can't stand the thought of putting Nathaniel in the same emotional position he was in

 

BEX

So this goes deep huh? 


PENRYN

Yes, people with hu-man fee-lings often find those feelings run quite deep.


BEX

Ohhhhhh.... cause Rebecca is the type of person that when she forgives... she doesn't exactly forget but she no longer thinks about it.


PENRYN

Please support this claim with evidence from her canon.

 

SIGYN

Yeah exactly. On one level, sure, he doesn't want his friend to kill himself.

 

BEX

Then this is gonna be a big problem if it continues. Lol lol cause though she doesn't want Nate to die either, this will break her heart.... in more ways then one.


PENRYN

 And obviously, her fee-fees are more important than whether her friend LIVES OR DIES.


AVERNA

It really depends on the friend?


PENRYN

You know what? You're right! If it was another Bex character, she would actually give a shit about their life!


SIGYN

Yeah. On another level, he's angry with Nathaniel because Trent also wanted to die after Rebecca turned him down, and was on some level probably disappointed that he survived until she came to see him. He's mad because at least Trent is offering Nathaniel his friendship and Nathaniel is kind of demanding more from him, and Trent just isn't in a position to give him more.

 

STRAWBERRY grimaces awkwardly


BEX

They really gonna that couple's therapy. 


PENRYN

I think you accidentally a word there.


BEX

Hehehe cause Rebecca doesn't bring up the past in an argument cause that no longer matters 


PENRYN

Please support this claim with evidence from her canon.


BEX

and if Trent honestly can't let go.... issues....


PENRYN

Perseveration isn't real, guys, it only exists to inconvenience your girlfriend.

 

ERNEST

"Why can't you just get over the events that haunt your every waking hour?"


ILLYBRIUS

Because fuck you, that's why.


SIGYN

Trent isn't aware of this. He doesn't know why he loves Nathaniel this much, he just knows he can't resist someone who loves him.

 

REBECCA

"If you so much as look at my fiancé in a way deemed inappropriate.... I will scratch out your eyes and feed them to you..." says oh so calmly.


PENRYN

"Deemed inappropriate" by whom? The staff at Esther B-- I mean Stepford Academy?

 

Lyle looking triggered

A guy just tried to kill himself and both friends or whatever they are. They're going through it. Talk about a selfish fucking cunt! You just had to threaten the suicidal one at this point and time?!

 

Lopez now just looking almost depressed and shaking his head.

 

Z-Dog

Maybe it should be her who offs herself. Save everyone else the extra heart ache she fucking causes. As if they need her excess self centered fucking drama.


TOD

Your opinion is quite valid and I've at times thought the same of others.


STRAWBERRY (2026)

Yeah, we'll probably get to that with our side chats. I'm getting about to that point.


SIGYN

actually, he might not even be fully aware of that. I thought about having Trent climb into the tub behind Nathaniel and bathe him, but nah, pulling him out and sponging him down was more realistic.

 

BEX

Rebecca thinks he's (Nate) being spoiled! One thing he can't have and he wants! 


PENRYN

Mental illness symptoms are always just a result of "being spoiled" and not getting your way.


BEX

He has Cat who is starting to really like him... George who adores him...


PENRYN

So obviously, your characters' feelings for him should override his own desires.


TOD

I do sometimes needs must remind my fiancé that he has others who care about him, but it is never in this context. He thinks he's alone in the world and has no one to talk to, so I list the names of friends I know to support him, who are not mine own muses.


FREDDIE

Yes, and the shilling you do isn't "How very dare you go to Charlie for comfort when Freddie exists?"


PIFFY

I think a source of this conflict is that you're approaching this from a "characters as simulated people" direction, and Bex is approaching this from a "characters as infinitely malleable toys" direction. Your writing priorities are fundamentally incompatible. What she's asking is why you won't just fiat away all of Nate and Trent's psychological issues and mash the Nate doll's face with the Cat or George dolls instead, because, to her, making the "right" dolls kiss is the point.


EDITING SIGYN

Because that's not how stories should work! I'm writing to explore character motivations and storylines that can become pretty intricate. For me, the point of writing is to create a good story. If I wanted everyone to do everything my way 100% of the time, I wouldn't even bother with collaboration. I'd just write solos all the time. If doll-mashing is what she wants, why does she seek out co-writers instead of just writing solos herself?


PIFFY

I share those writing priorities, too. That's part of why we write easily together, and part of why your cowriting relationship with Bex ended up being such a disaster.


BEX

and he's doing things to 'purposely' so she thinks, to gets Trent's attention... yea... she is not happy atm. 


Z-Dog

Did you know that attention seeking is also a symptom of mental illness? Even if he was that doesn't negate from the fact he's suffering at ALL.


PENRYN

Sarcasm aside, this is so fucking damaging to the mental health community. What do you think a cry for help is meant to do? Be ignored so the person in danger can die from their symptoms?


Mansk

This. Yes.


TOD

That depends on the person. However, I do not think Nathaniel is purposefully manufacturing ersatz emergencies to scam Rebecca out of Trent's attention.


BEX

When he hated Trent a few days ago... things like that just don't happen even more so when you were claiming rape in the same voice. 


PENRYN

Well Actually, yes, a person CAN develop an emotional attachment to someone who has sexually assaulted or raped them. It's not HEALTHY, but it HAPPENS. Just because it doesn't happen to YOU doesn't mean it doesn't happen to ANYONE. Your experience not the rubric by which reality is measured.


BEX

this time Nate didn't take anything... just passed out after finding release in the tub...


PENRYN

He passed out in the bathtub WHILE ON THE PHONE WITH A HYDROPHOBE, and has a history of drug abuse in fic. Trent would have to be an abysmal friend not to assume Nathaniel was in trouble. But no, here we have Ms. "How Dare You Care About Anyone But Me"?


AKUMA

HEY! What did I do!?


PENRYN

Not pay attention to the context of that remark, for one.

 

SIGYN

I mean, true, but he's so out of his mind, just in general, that he's calling Trent to do that, you know?

 

BEX

She's gonna ignore Nate for now... to the point that it's cold and rude; only talking to him at the meeting cause she has to. Gonna go get damn drunk that night at his house


PENRYN

Oh, so it's okay for HER to use drugs to cope with uncomfortable emotions?


Z-Dog

Honestly. Good riddance!

 

Mansk

Too bad it probably didn't actually go down with that since she clearly enjoys tormenting him far too much.


BEX

 and I have no idea how she's gonna respond yet at the hotel. 😂😂😂😂

 

SIGYN

Trent and Rebecca are probably going to fight about that. Because Trent's perspective is, "he's being an idiot but he's still our friend and he needs our help, and your attitude is going to push him further over the edge".

 

REBECCA (for reference, she looks like this)

No. He's doing it on purpose to get your attention because he knows he can't have you. 


PENRYN

Or he just has shitty coping mechanisms.


REBECCA

Nate has never been good at taking No for an answer... ever... and he knows better.


CYGNET

I "know better" than to take two doses of everything in the house when I'm distressed. I know it's bad for my body and my mind. That doesn't mean I never resort to it when I can't handle what's going on in my head.

 

TRENT (for reference, he looks like this)

“So you want me to let him die?”

 

Z-dog

Well. She's too pussy to fucking say it. But no shit at this point.

 

POST-EDIT RENA

Give Duckie a break; he likes to see the best in her, so it takes him a while to catch onto stuff like that.


REBECCA

He isn't going to die. He has Cat, he has George. 


PENRYN

Why are only your characters allowed to help him?


PIFFY

Given Rebecca's canon characterization and Bex's propensity to metagame, I'm not going to give her the grace of assuming IC != OOC. Continuing to ascribe malice no matter how many times you explain Nate and Trent's psychological states is an asshole move and extremely irritating to me.


CYGNET

Oh yes. Rebecca in canon was explicitly stated to have borderline personality disorder and she did a lot of connection-seeking behaviors that were unhealthy. So even if this version of Rebecca were closer to the show's version of Rebecca, at best she would be a hypocrite.


PIFFY

I wonder how much of Bex's refusal to take Nate's depression seriously is just because she'd never write a character who acted that way unless they were villainously faking it to create a Ship Obstacle. She's basically saying "Nate is already shipped, so he shouldn't have problems those characters can't handle for him. Why is he butting into a different ship?"


REBECCA

He's doing this on purpose. 


PENRYN

MUMMY! Ghostryn dripped ectoplasm on me! She's doing this on purpose! Make her stoppppp!!!!


EUGENIE

Penryn Sousse, you are 28 years old. Handle your own conflicts.


PENRYN

Welp.


LYLE

Alone isn't always a physical fact. Sometimes it's a feeling. So George and Cat could be right there and it may not have fucking mattered. Also acting this way is a sure fire way to make others feel like you aren't really there for them at all even though you're unfortunately physically there. This bitch is honestly foolish and if the drama isn't about her she's working in making sure it ends that way.


REBECCA

I get it he's confused, but he knows what is right and what is wrong, he just doesn't do it because now, he's been told no and he's acting like a spoiled brat! Friends DON'T act this way.

 

TRENT

"Friends don't act this way." Okay. That's interesting. Don't forget, I know everything about you, including times when you've done self-destructive things despite having way more friends than Nathaniel has, in retaliation for not getting what you want. I also know there were times in my life when I was crying out for help and I had NO ONE to tether me. 


PENRYN looks awkwardly at Sebastian

Well, I guess there were those three years you were apart, but that was your own fault, Trent.


TRENT

I'm not going to leave him alone with his inner demons, regardless of what you think about it. He needs me the most right now.

 

REBECCA

Fine. Help him... but you don't need to get almost naked to do so. 


PENRYN

You fucked a guy you met at a taco festival where you were on a date with Greg. Trent pulled his friend out of the tub and made sure he was okay, and ended up having to take off his wet clothes.


PIFFY

The most enraging thing is that Bex isn't acting like she knows Rebecca is the one with the fucked up priorities here. Potential medical emergencies are a situation where state of dress is simply not important.


PENRYN

She DOESN'T think Rebecca has fucked-up priorities. She thinks TRENT has fucked-up priorities for wanting to care for someone other than her.


REBECCA

And yea, I have done destructive stuff, but that was in the past and I got myself out of it. 


FLUOU

[Translation: STOP USING CANON TO POKE HOLES IN MY WHINGING, STOMPWHINE!]


REBECCA

Yes I had Paula, cause she's been there for me ever since I met her. Nate has a lot more people then he thinks he does. 


PENRYN

And what if they all acted the way you are right now?


REBECCA

He's just being this way to cause a rift...


PENRYN

D'you know, from where I sit, Nathaniel isn't the one being a spoiled brat.


PIFFY

And Rebecca just confirmed that Bex has shoved Nate into the narrative pigeonhole of Ship Obstacle Villain despite all explanation to the contrary.


PENRYN

Shoving someone into narrative pigeonholes despite explanations to the contrary is bad writing behaviour.


PIFFY

Agreed


REBECCA

and he's not alone. George is asleep in the next room. 


PENRYN

George is asleep. He can't very well pull Nathaniel out of the tub and make sure he hasn't drowned.


Lyle

Well ain't he a piece of shit. Why haven't I seen or heard more of this puke? If he cared that fucking much wouldn't he have gotten more involved himself?

 

Z-Dog

No, no, no. He would have came in there at most and started drama that someone else was helping. And made the situation worse. Remember all of these people are basically the same.

 

PENRYN

Also, he fell asleep before Nate passed out, I think.


REBECCA

But... whatever. I've pulled him out of this many times and it always ends and starts the same way.


PENRYN

Please support your claim with evidence from canon.


REBECCA

 "He gets told no, he gets mad and obsesses, and he acts out."


PENRYN

The way I remember canon, when you didn't want a relationship with him, he tried to move on with Mona. And then suddenly you decided you did want him and the two of you ended up shagging for a year while he and Mona were together.


REBECCA pauses and nods.

 "Every single time. First it was me... now it's you..."


PENRYN

Whenst were these times?

 

TRENT

"Wow. You really have no empathy for another human being in pain. I misjudged you. I... should have gotten to know you better."

 

REBECCA

"It isn't like that at all! I don't want him to die either... but you don't know him like I do. He can be a huge sadist narcissist if he doesn't get what he wants ...


Z-Dog

NO! He's a masochist! And I don't even know what a Nathaniel IS!!!??? 


DESMODA

Clearly you know him better than Rebecca.


REBECCA

and saying he is just friend with you and then pulls this! I'm not blind ...nor stupid."

 

STRAWBERRY

WOW. Imagine if people acted this way about me being in extreme distress and needing help.


TRENT

"That's not helpful right now. However he is acting out, whatever his motivations are, he's in serious pain and I'm not going to abandon my friend. I am telling you, I have been where he is, mentally. I may not have acted on it the same way, but I know. EXACTLY. How he is feeling. To deny him compassion and accuse him, is to do the same to me."

 

REBECCA actually glared at Trent, and then over at Nate. She still hadn't forgiven for their last encounter and now this ...

"Compassion is one thing. This ...is something else." She said simply.

 

TRENT

"And what is that?"

 

REBECCA simply looked at his state of undress and then back into his eyes. Not saying a thing. She bit her lip, swallowed her feelings and turned away, calling out.

 "I'm going to make us some coffee... I need coffee to deal with this... with gin." 

She muttered under her breath the last part.


PIFFY

I can't help but notice that she changed the subject instead of answering the question.


PENRYN

And what she changed it to is guilt-tripping Trent via threats of drug use.

 

PIFFY

So, would you say that she is… *scrolls up* being self-destructive on purpose because she isn’t getting what she wants and knows it will get Trent’s attention on her?


PENRYN

Yes, I would.


PIFFY

Would you also say that I called it?


PENRYN

Yes, I would.


TRENT

"No. You're not drinking caffeine or alcohol. I won't have you hungover or without sleep tomorrow. And by the way, those kinds of coping mechanisms are a slippery slope."

 

REBECCA

"Who says I'm sleeping?" She called back as she searched Nate's kitchen. If not coffee or gin then there had to be something to drink in this house that wasn't water.

 

TRENT follows her into the kitchen

 "You are not going into that meeting sleep-deprived. Now would you stop being so selfish and help me ground him."


Lyle

GOD DAMN IT TRENT!


 BEX

Keep in mind she's still riding her anxiety from dealing with her fear of horses. Lol

 

SIGYN

Yeah, and he's still processing what went down with his family, AND having some painful memories about loneliness brought to the surface. He also doesn't understand why being in only his undies is a problem, because he's at least wearing underwear. And he had to take his clothes off to put a wet person in his lap and sponge him down

 

BEX

How does he not understand that that's not a good thing?


PIFFY

How do you not understand that unsexy underpants situations are a thing? 


BEX

 Lol it's just water... and Nate didn't need to be bathed down. George had already done that. Or so her thinking.

 

PENRYN

But how would she know George had bathed him? She was in Iowa with Trent and Cat.


SIGYN

Like, he'd do the same for her. And he'd do the same for his family. So he doesn’t see a problem with it.

 So, like, he offered her to sleep either on the nest he made to keep Nathaniel from going out the door, or in the bed to keep him from leaving the bed. Theoretically he would take whichever one she didn’t. So that's actually another dilemma

 

BEX

Yeaaaa... considering she doesn't to sleep by Nate but doesn't want Trent to either. Hehehe

 

SIGYN

Like, is she gonna sleep in bed with someone she's furious with, or is she gonna have her fiancée who has a mutual crush on him do it, you know?

 

BEX

She might just 'take one for the team' so to speak and pick the bed. That way, she wouldn't be tempted to punch Nate again if he tried to cuddle with Trent if he slept in the bed. Hehehe

 

SIGYN

So Trent doesn't care that Nathaniel isn't a good friend, he is going to be a good friend regardless, and that means keeping the person at risk from hurting themselves regardless of what anyone, including the person he loves most in the world, thinks. Nate is a HUGE cuddlebug in canon. He slept in Rebecca's bed when she was out of town and snuggled with her stuffed gator.

 

BEX

Then she'll put a pillow in between them... or two. Lol

 

SIGYN

Yeah, good call. Trent is mad at him too, but he also knows not to push him into feeling like no one understands.

 

BEX

She'd have an easier time dealing with it if she was the one trying to get snuggled then Trent cause we all know what happened in the hospital when Nate kissed him hehehehehhe

 

ERNEST accidentally snaps the stem of his martini glass between his fingers, and his mocktail crashes to the floor

What the fuck are you "hehehe"ing about?


DESMODA

"Rebecca lost her shit and assaulted Nathaniel, TEEHEE, SO QUIRKY! ISN'T IT HILARIOUS?"


CIN

Firstly, don't ever do that again. Secondly, I think we're all with Ernest on "What the FUCK?"


STRAWBERRY

I'll get you a fresh drink...


ERNEST

Thank you. A non-alcoholic one, please; it doesn't feel right to indulge my addiction while we read this.


POST-EDIT LUCIFER

One man's opinion.


STRAWBERRY

Yes, I figured that was why it was a mocktail.


SIGYN

Yeah and he is begging Trent to tell him he loves him, and Trent can't resist being loved, especially by someone who's never broken his heart, so he might lose himself and do something regrettable.

 

BEX

How are we ever going to fix this? Hehehe

 

Lyle

Spoiler alert. You aren’t.

 

Z-Dog

HEHEHE!!!


SIGYN

Cuddling thru the night creates a subconscious emotional bond. It makes you trust each other more and stuff, something to do with oxytocin release

 

BEX

Yea so deff her then. How are we gonna write Nate eventually realizing it ain't gonna happen and appreciate what he's got? Cause I don't see Cat being to happy about this either.

 

PENRYN

You mean the woman who just met him and was being paid to keep an eye on him to make sure he wouldn't go blabbing about what Trent did to him in the hospital?


SIGYN

how he goes depends on his mood

 

BEX

Well if I wrote Cat as there then that solves a problem too... kinda. she can sleep by him. Hehehehe

 

PIFFY

So, I think this is another passive-aggressive attempt to get you to mash the "correct" dolls together and get the shipfest back on track.


SIGYN

The thing is, I do eventually want Nate and Rebecca to make up and at least be friends again. I'm just not sure how to get there. And Nate's muse is soooo chaotic

 

BEX

They will be... but his actions right now aren't helping. Trent's right about that. Lol

Maybe if he bonds closer to Cat...

 

PIFFY

Yup, she wants you to get back on her rails.


ILLYBRIUS

Unfortunately, we have boarded the Failroad.


AKUMA

Ooh! Do I get to be the Main Character again?!


ILLYBRIUS

No. But you do get bubble tea.


AKUMA

FUCK YEAH, BUBBLE TEA!


SIGYN

Having her there might help, or it might hurt because he's so deeply affected right now. Because he's madly in love with Trent, but Cat has a similar mellow energy that he likes, but now he knows she's the sister of the man he loves. So that really complicates things. Trent doesn't love Nathaniel as much as Nathaniel loves him, but he does have feelings for him and he's uncommonly tender for a man, so he's not going to do anything to make Nathaniel feel like he doesn't care. at least not right now, because to him, Nathaniel is in crisis and needs help first, scolding later.

 The thing is, Nathaniel knows he SHOULD hate Trent. He just can't, and he kind of hates himself for it.

 

BEX

I think Nate liked the kink side of it to be honest. Trent threw Nate around like a rag doll and then licked his blood.... Nate loves it when George hurts him so that's where my mind goes.

 

PENRYN

But that still doesn't negate him being in genuine emotional distress and you shouldn't try to invalidate what he's going through with "Oh he's just kinky."


SIGYN

That too. Nathaniel even admitted he hates that he liked what Trent did to him. So part of his self harming could be "get out the dirty bad thoughts"

 

BEX

All our muses need therapy!


PIFFY

You have no idea.


PENRYN

After listening to your comments, I now assume that, when she says "need therapy," she means "need to get over their inconvenient issues so they can do things MY WAY." 


PIFFY

Yep. And she has no idea how sick her own muses actually are.


PENRYN

She doesn't think of them as sick, beyond maybe "teehee quirky," because she's playing them as self-inserts.


BEX

 If he's still I so much denial... why hurt poor George? 


CIN

Because Garbage Face sucks. He's violated Nathaniel's consent and overridden his wishes on multiple occasions


BEX

Someone's gonna have to say 'enough!' To all involved and it just might be him.

 

SIGYN

Because George is the only man who will have him, and because Trent kind of nudged him into giving him a chance, and Nate misinterpreted it as "give him a chance in bed"


CYGNET

WOW I WISH I HAD GEORGE'S UNPROBLEMS.


SIGYN

 The thing is, Trent is going to have a talk with Nathaniel. But now isn't the time. He's not going to let anyone make Nate feel worse right now.

 

GEORGE (for reference, he looks like this)

"you're acting like a complete nunce!"

 

CYGNET

Shut the fuck up, Garbage Face. (Please note that I'm calling him that in keeping with the fanfic. Danny Jolles, the actor, is a nice person with a nice face.)


Z-Dog

Oh whatya fucking know! He's against Trent.  I WONDER WHY!!???

 

Lyle

He's Lime-Green Jell-O and he can't even admit it, girlfriend!

 

PENRYN

That's not even how George acts or talks in canon.


TRENT

"Stand down or get out."

 

SIGYN

Trent is worried that Rebecca is going to try to force him to choose, because he can't. As in, he can't choose between the woman he has loved for his entire adult life and a person who is in pain because of him.

 

BEX

She isn't going to like this situation till it works itself out 


CIN

Tough nuts. You can't always get what you want and sometimes other people's situations are more important than your feelings.


BEX

but I don't see her forcing Trent to choose. 


PENRYN

No, her narration's just going to be passive-aggressive about what a good martyr she is until Sigyn feels guilty enough to write Trent choosing Rebecca.


BEX

He's just got to understand that she's gonna have to work this out herself to in her own way.... and if that includes an all night bender one night and one night only... let her. Lol lol

 

SIGYN

Not right before a client meeting. And not when he's already babysitting one person on a bender lol

 

BEX

Oh no... I'm saving that for when she realizes the hotel messup... hehehe

 But Nate didn't take anything... how is he on a bender? I'm confused. Lol

 

SIGYN

Not a drug bender, a self destruction bender

Trent is stubborn as hell and will push away anyone who tries to prevent him from making sure Nathaniel is safe and happy, because he feels like Nathaniel is his personal responsibility after what happened.

 

BEX

She doesn't need a babysitter... 


ERNEST

Are you sure? Because she's acting like a child.


BEX

though telling Trent or Cat or Nate to "shush..." playfully while tapping their nose and giggling is hysterical

 

SIGYN

Well, again, Trent's personal guilt feelings are in overdrive right now, so he's going to come off a little extra protective and possessive

 

BEX

I get their feelings... both Trent's and nates to a degree... but again I wouldn't fall for someone who I claimed raped me. That's why I'm all confused about Nates mind state. 


PENRYN

If you can't think outside the bounds of your own perspective, you have no business being a writer, especially not in a collaborative setting.


BEX

You don't just go from he raped me and I hate him to omg i love him in a few days time... if at all.

 

Lyle

Hiow goiys! I gets its but I donts gets its!

 

TROPHY

ZUG ZUG!

 

FENNEL

Isn’t it EXCITING?!

 

TOKIOMI

Well, yes.


ORION

This is a GREAT AREA for HARVESTING!


SIGYN

Like, Trent did technically sexually assault Nate. But also, Nate didn't resist it that much. As in, for Nate, he was curious until Trent started kissing him, and then he freaked out, because Nate liked it too much. And then he hated himself for not resisting, and for liking it, and he did feel like he should hate Trent, and he tried to hate Trent, but underneath it was this kind of "hmm, what else can that strong man do?" So there are a lot of complicated feelings there. Whereas, when he thought George had taken advantage of him, he freaked out entirely, and was unwilling at first to give George another chance.

 

BEX

I can understand his mindset...


PENRYN

Actually, you've proven that you can't, so what you're doing right now is paying lipservice to the idea of understanding his mindset in order to placate your cowriter in the hopes that things will be done your way.


BEX

 I just don't get why he would think that last part if he supposedly hated it. Hehehe. Lots of complicated things going on... but they'll figure it out.


SIGYN

He thinks he is supposed to hate it. He doesn't hate it, he just feels like he should, and he feels guilty that he doesn't. 


PENRYN

Considering this is, what, the third time Sigyn has explained this? At this point, it isn't that Bex doesn't understand what's going on. It's that she doesn't like it so she's claiming ignorance.


SIGYN

But there's also the fact that if it was any other man who had done that to him, Nathaniel might have hated them for it and might not have forgiven them, much less fallen for them, so he's confused. He doesn't understand why he's fallen in love with Trent and he doesn't like it, but he feels the way he feels and he can't change it, and sometimes he acts out. He's not doing it so much to get Trent's attention, he just doesn't know how to cope, so he's lashing out at himself because he hates himself for falling in love with a man who 1) molested him and 2) is taken. And so Trent is like "it's my fault he's like this and I am not leaving his side until he's stable or until he asks me to go".

 

BEX

They will figure it out. I look forward to it. 


PIFFY

That sounds more like an order than a comment.


STRAWBERRY

It really does, in Corporate, no less. Because she's not saying "I look forward to working out the outcome together." She's saying "I look forward to the results when you do what I say."

 

BEX

But its gonna take a bit for Rebecca to wrap her mind around it all


PIFFY

Considering that Bex herself refuses to "wrap her mind around it", I think she's A) shifting blame onto her character, and B) trying to give herself an excuse for Rebecca refusing to accept any of it long enough for the "problem" to go away.


BEX

 considering she's still slightly mad at Nate for his last antics and still riding high on her own anxieties for a bit.


PENRYN

Hey everyone, let's all care about what REBECCA feels even though she's being an unreasonable twat!


AKUMA

No.

 

SIGYN

Oh yeah, and she would probably feel like Trent is choosing someone else over her right now instead of giving her the comfort and support that she needs. It's going to be hard for him to explain "I'm not helping him because I'm personally in love with him, I'm helping him because he needs me specifically to ground him because it's my fault he's in this state."


TOD

Well. It is preferable to Trent telling Rebecca, "He's YOUR friend, YOU deal with it then."


SIGYN 

I'm also going to add some juxtaposition. Like, in the show, Trent slept on the floor by the foot of Rebecca's bed and begged her to let him sleep in the bed next to her.

 But in fic, I'm planning to have Trent sleep on the floor next to Nathaniel's side of the bed, and have Nathaniel beg Trent to come up to the bed with him. It won't go over well with the girls, but storywise/fanfic-vs-canonwise, it's an interesting idea


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